Gosenshu 9 - Revision history

Jchristo: /* 600 */

2024-08-16T13:56:22Z

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	* (last two lines) How deep they are! But I am affected that you may not have forgotten me (Keichu)		* (last two lines) How deep they are! But I am affected that you may not have forgotten me (Keichu)
	* The man may have sent her a poem or letter indicating he would die for love -- perhaps her response is "OK, you're going to die soon -- but will your words survive?" (Nakayama)		* The man may have sent her a poem or letter indicating he would die for love -- perhaps her response is "OK, you're going to die soon -- but will your words survive?" (Nakayama)
	* Even if our love does not continue forever, I am happy at these words. This is not a bitter or ironic poem, it shows true love (Kifune~~, Tokuhara~~)		* Even if our love does not continue forever, I am happy at these words. This is not a bitter or ironic poem, it shows true love (Kifune)
	* I have your words that may survive long, even after death, but how affecting will they be? (That is, they may be simply words). This poem serves to sum up and close the first book (Katagiri)		* I have your words that may survive long, even after death, but how affecting will they be? (That is, they may be simply words). This poem serves to sum up and close the first book (Katagiri)
			* Even if your heart does not change forever, how happy would I be if you would send me words of deep feeling. (Tokuhara)

	This may seem to be excessively vague -- there may be connotations to these words we don't know today, or the vagueness was intentional. Katagiri's idea that this is the summation of the first book of love poems may account for the possibilities of meaning contained in the poem. Without the preface the poem might be a general statement about love poems, but with the preface we are invited to imagine the scenario that gave rise to the poem.		This may seem to be excessively vague -- there may be connotations to these words we don't know today, or the vagueness was intentional. Katagiri's idea that this is the summation of the first book of love poems may account for the possibilities of meaning contained in the poem. Without the preface the poem might be a general statement about love poems, but with the preface we are invited to imagine the scenario that gave rise to the poem.

Jchristo: /* 600 */

2024-08-16T13:55:09Z

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	* (last two lines) How deep they are! But I am affected that you may not have forgotten me (Keichu)		* (last two lines) How deep they are! But I am affected that you may not have forgotten me (Keichu)
	* The man may have sent her a poem or letter indicating he would die for love -- perhaps her response is "OK, you're going to die soon -- but will your words survive?" (Nakayama)		* The man may have sent her a poem or letter indicating he would die for love -- perhaps her response is "OK, you're going to die soon -- but will your words survive?" (Nakayama)
	* Even if our love does not continue forever, I am happy at these words. This is not a bitter or ironic poem, it shows true love (Kifune)		* Even if our love does not continue forever, I am happy at these words. This is not a bitter or ironic poem, it shows true love (Kifune, Tokuhara)
	* I have your words that may survive long, even after death, but how affecting will they be? (That is, they may be simply words). This poem serves to sum up and close the first book (Katagiri)		* I have your words that may survive long, even after death, but how affecting will they be? (That is, they may be simply words). This poem serves to sum up and close the first book (Katagiri)

Jchristo: /* 540 */

2022-12-02T19:24:40Z

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	The surface meaning is a spring poem -- the poet is not upset with the flowers for withering, but rather at himself for missing the flower viewing time. The love meaning is that the man does not begrudge the woman ("flower") for separating from him; he is upset at his own body that is past its prime.		The surface meaning is a spring poem -- the poet is not upset with the flowers for withering, but rather at himself for missing the flower viewing time. The love meaning is that the man does not begrudge the woman ("flower") for separating from him; he is upset at his own body that is past its prime.

	The ``Shinsho'' quotes someone named Masaakira who thought this was a woman's poem. Kifune agreed and went so far as to emend the prose preface, despite all the manuscripts reading "Sent to a woman." I think they were too focused on the similarity of the last two lines to poems of Ono no Komachi and the like. Since flowers are usually women, the flower that has "separated" from me in the first three lines should be a woman as well.		The ''Shinsho'' quotes someone named Masaakira who thought this was a woman's poem. Kifune agreed and went so far as to emend the prose preface, despite all the manuscripts reading "Sent to a woman." I think they were too focused on the similarity of the last two lines to poems of Ono no Komachi and the like. Since flowers are usually women, the flower that has "separated" from me in the first three lines should be a woman as well.

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Jchristo: /* 599 */

2022-01-13T19:55:47Z

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 * 五代歌枕　歌枕名寄
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Jchristo: /* 598 */

2022-01-13T19:37:13Z

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 * 古今和歌六帖２０５４・夢. 4th and 5th lines ねなくにゆめとおもふなりけり.
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Jchristo: /* 598 */

2022-01-12T15:39:50Z

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	The poet is describing the night with her love. Even though it was real, it was so fleeting (short) that strangely it feels like she saw a waking dream instead.		The poet is describing the night with her love. Even though it was real, it was so fleeting (short) that strangely it feels like she saw a waking dream instead.

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			* 古今和歌六帖２０５４・夢. 4th and 5th lines ねなくにゆめとおもふなりけり.

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Jchristo: /* 598 */

2022-01-12T15:39:12Z

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	The woman's response says that if Saneakira were a good man to be with then she wouldn't look elsewhere; it's his own fault. This can be interpreted as a bitter response that turns down Saneakira's attempt to restart the relationship (Kifune), or as an invitation to come back to her (Kudo).		The woman's response says that if Saneakira were a good man to be with then she wouldn't look elsewhere; it's his own fault. This can be interpreted as a bitter response that turns down Saneakira's attempt to restart the relationship (Kifune), or as an invitation to come back to her (Kudo).

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	<ruby>男<rt>おとこ</rt></ruby>につかはしける		<ruby>男<rt>おとこ</rt></ruby>につかはしける
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	うつつにも　はかなきことの　あやしきは　ねなくにゆめの　見ゆるなりけり		うつつにも　はかなきことの　あやしきは　ねなくにゆめの　見ゆるなりけり

			Though real / what is strange (3) / about the fleeting thing (2) / is that without sleeping / I'm seeing a dream.

	* ゆめの見ゆる] ゆめとおもふ（荒・片・堀*・雲)		* ゆめの見ゆる] ゆめとおもふ（荒・片・堀*・雲)

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			The poet is describing the night with her love. Even though it was real, it was so fleeting (short) that strangely it feels like she saw a waking dream instead.

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Jchristo: /* 597 */

2022-01-12T14:52:37Z

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	The woman's response says that if Saneakira were a good man to be with then she wouldn't look elsewhere; it's his own fault. This can be interpreted as a bitter response that turns down Saneakira's attempt to restart the relationship (Kifune), or as an invitation to come back to her (Kudo).		The woman's response says that if Saneakira were a good man to be with then she wouldn't look elsewhere; it's his own fault. This can be interpreted as a bitter response that turns down Saneakira's attempt to restart the relationship (Kifune), or as an invitation to come back to her (Kudo).

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			<ruby>男<rt>おとこ</rt></ruby>につかはしける

			Sent to a man

			うつつにも　はかなきことの　あやしきは　ねなくにゆめの　見ゆるなりけり

			* ゆめの見ゆる] ゆめとおもふ（荒・片・堀*・雲)

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Jchristo: /* 596 */

2022-01-11T15:37:02Z

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 * 中務集１３９．Prose preface また、ひとに.
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Jchristo: /* 595 */

2022-01-10T20:31:01Z

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 * 中務集１６７. First line わびしきを.
 * 信明集９３. First line こひしきを.
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